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TOPIC: Nintendo President Iwta: Next Console will Probably be HD
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.video.nintendo.wii/t/50ff590452c60855
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun 7 Jun 2009 03:26
From: "Michael C"
"Miles Bader" <miles@gnu.org> wrote in message
news:8763f81gu2.fsf@catnip.gol.com...
> "Michael C" <jjjh@lkio.netx> writes:
>>> For instance, if the frame rate suffers because of the extra demands of
>>> supporting something like HD resolution. [That was the point I was
>>> trying to make -- many improvements involve tradeoffs.]
>>
>> That is quite clearly a seperate issue and not what was being discussed.
>
> Hmm, doesn't seem so clear to me. It looked like the topic was "would
> an HD wii be better than a non-HD wii" -- and such tradeoffs would
> certainly be involved in making an HD wii.
That is the case for any game on any console whether it can do HD
resoloutions or not.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon 8 Jun 2009 09:06
From: WDS
Michael C wrote:
> A better picture will always provide a better experience than a poorer
> picture.
Only if all else remains the same. Unfortunately in games that is often
not the case.
The game racks in stores are riddled with HD games for XBox 360 and PS/3
that have amazing graphics yet are sucky games.
Games have budgets and doing HD graphics will take up more of the budget
for new games. So either the budget grows or, more likely, corners
get cut elsewhere. The level design suffers. The AI sucks. Things are
left out completely or just not finished. Repetitive grinding is stuck
in to pad the gameplay time. The game isn't polished in many ways. The
FUN is left out somehow. And on and on.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon 8 Jun 2009 09:07
From: Howard Brazee
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:11:48 GMT, jt august <starsabre@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>Makes sense to me. I haven't wasted the money on an HD TV because I
>haven't found anything to justify the expense. Is a comedy any funnier
>just because I can see the skin tone of the actor speaking the lines?
>Is sports more exciting because I can see the bubbles in the pitcher's
>spit?
>
>Wii games won't be any more fun just because the display has nearly 4
>times as many pixels. Wii games are already very fun, and look just
>fine on my in-laws 64 HDTV. But in its day, the Atari 2600,
>Intellivision and Odyssey 2 were plenty fun with their horrendously
>coarse resolution. What matters is what Nintendo is concentrating on,
>games that are fun to play.
Even if you don't care for high fidelity, wide screen offers
advantages in viewing - and in playing split screen video games.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon 8 Jun 2009 09:13
From: Howard Brazee
On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:06:19 +0900, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> wrote:
>In many cases it's true ("always" is a bit of a stretch, and of course
>"better" is pretty damn vague) ... all else being equal.
>
>But of course in the real world, all else _isn't_ equal.
>HD hardware/content comes with costs too, and it's certainly not a given
>that the end result is really a win...
>
>For instance, if the additional costs associated with HD result in fewer
>games being made, fewer companies able to make them, and fewer risks
>being taken, it may very well be worse for gamers.
Those costs seem unlikely to me. Right now Wii has a variety in how
detailed games show things. Just having the capability of high end
resolution doesn't mean the companies will stop using the variety of
resolutions that they use now.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon 8 Jun 2009 09:53
From: Howard Brazee
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:06:50 -0500, WDS <Bill@seurer.net> wrote:
>Games have budgets and doing HD graphics will take up more of the budget
> for new games. So either the budget grows or, more likely, corners
>get cut elsewhere. The level design suffers. The AI sucks. Things are
>left out completely or just not finished. Repetitive grinding is stuck
>in to pad the gameplay time. The game isn't polished in many ways. The
>FUN is left out somehow. And on and on.
I suspect the HD budget isn't the reason for the poor designs, but I
haven't looked into it.
I got my Wii because we like to entertain our grandchildren. I have
ordered Tiger Woods 10 (with the new dongle) on the basis of reviews.
That will be for me. Tiger Woods 9 doesn't work like real golf, and
it will be nice to have the Wii knowing when it is raining at Bethpage
Black.
My old TV died a year ago - just when it made sense to go HD with its
replacement. I bought a new Wii cord to increase my fidelity a bit
(and make the screen a bit wider for games that support it).
I don't watch much TV, but got my Blu-ray player for Christmas. DvDs
are much better, and so are Blu-rays. We got each other the Wii for
Christmas, just as we got each other Thomas Train three years ago
(grandchildren grow so fast) - but the Blu-ray is mine.
What is interesting is how sports improve. My local NBA team was in
the playoffs, so I watched them through the Western finals.
Basketballs are big, not like hockey pucks - but that wide screen made
watching the game more enjoyable. I watch major golf tournaments, as
well as my local teams in post season.
My wife would like a Blu-ray for her small TV next to her computer -
or on her computer (24" iMac). This isn't because she could see the
resolution of the Blu-ray - it is so she can watch the movies we have
on Blu-ray but not on DVD, without going downstairs.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon 8 Jun 2009 11:33
From: "Michael C"
"WDS" <Bill@seurer.net> wrote in message
news:h0jcui$oaf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Michael C wrote:
>> A better picture will always provide a better experience than a poorer
>> picture.
>
> Only if all else remains the same. Unfortunately in games that is often
> not the case.
>
> The game racks in stores are riddled with HD games for XBox 360 and PS/3
> that have amazing graphics yet are sucky games.
Even a sucky game would be a better experience with better graphics...
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon 8 Jun 2009 12:39
From: flyinghippo
parallax-scroll wrote:
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nintendo-The-Wii-and-DS-Won-039-t-Last-Forever-New-Consoles-Will-Arrive-112406.shtml
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Miyamoto-Says-New-Technology-Might-Force-The-Wii-to-Go-HD-97580.shtml
>
> http://venturebeat.com/2009/06/04/nintendo-ceo-wii-care-about-your-heartbeat-but-not-your-iphone-the-recession-or-free-games/
>
> Iwata:
>
> "If we have an opportunity to make a new console, it will probably
> support HD because it is now common throughout the world. However, as
> far as the Wii is concerned, we have not found a significant reason to
> make it HD-compatible at this time. What is the significant meaning to
> the users? I don't think we should do it unless we find that reason.
> If we decide for other reasons to make new hardware, then HD is one of
> the things we would naturally add."
>
>
> 'Wii HD' expected in 2011
> :http://www.whattheyplay.com/blog/2008/09/30/new-wii-due-by-2011/
I'm not replying to any of these, because they're all arguing over
whether or not HD is necessary. It's not. However, people are
practically trolling over whether or not a person prefers HD.
Sure, if I had the choice between a 13" TV and a 50" Plasma screen, I'd
choose the plasma screen. That is naturally anyone's preference. The
point is that the Wii does not need HD features, because its games do
not focus on having realistic textures for WWII scenes, or whatever crap
gets shoveled into the 360/PS3 library.
When it comes to cost, I can guarantee that many Nintendo fans wouldn't
see a need to spend $1,000+ on a HDTV, because there's no need for one.
If they could get a free HDTV, of course they would take it.
It's really hard to make any sort of post here that isn't an argument,
so this thread won't be of any productive discussion.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon 8 Jun 2009 19:29
From: jt august
In article <7953stF1nmcsoU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Michael C" <jjjh@lkio.netx> wrote:
> "WDS" <Bill@seurer.net> wrote in message
> news:h0jcui$oaf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > Michael C wrote:
> >> A better picture will always provide a better experience than a poorer
> >> picture.
> >
> > Only if all else remains the same. Unfortunately in games that is often
> > not the case.
> >
> > The game racks in stores are riddled with HD games for XBox 360 and PS/3
> > that have amazing graphics yet are sucky games.
>
> Even a sucky game would be a better experience with better graphics...
No, it wouldn't. It would still suck.
jt
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues 9 Jun 2009 05:12
From: Abo
Michael C wrote:
> "WDS" <Bill@seurer.net> wrote in message
> news:h0jcui$oaf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Michael C wrote:
>>> A better picture will always provide a better experience than a poorer
>>> picture.
>> Only if all else remains the same. Unfortunately in games that is often
>> not the case.
>>
>> The game racks in stores are riddled with HD games for XBox 360 and PS/3
>> that have amazing graphics yet are sucky games.
>
> Even a sucky game would be a better experience with better graphics...
>
>
No it wouldn't. Not here anyway, it wouldn't get played. So it could
have the best graphics of any game ever, but I wouldn't see them...
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